The Chaplain-President continues his interviews in Kinshasa in connection with the KU Leuven project he is leading there. After a series of interviews on 27 and 28 February, on 29 February he was pleased to meet for a long discussion with Mr Joseph Mobutu Jr, one of the sons of the former president of Congo-Zaïre, Joseph-Désiré Mobutu Sese Seko. A very interesting discussion took place concerning the real President Mobutu behind the headlines, and the dignity, spiritual identity and prosperity of the Congolese people.