On 7 July, the Chaplain-President, as guest-professor in KU Leuven, met with one of his PhD students, Nathan Ngoy, to discuss the next stages in the 2023-24 KU Leuven Theo Teams project on the relationship between President Mobutu and Cardinal Malula which the Chaplain-President is coordinating and for which M. Ngoy will be the academic assistant. A diverse team of 8 researchers will use their expertise and learning to analyse the turbulent relationship between the President of DRC-Zaïre and the Cardinal-Archbishop of Kinshasa, hopefully to tease out possible pointers for interconvictional dialogue in Africa and Europe today.