On 12 February, the Chaplain-President represented Bishop Robert at a discussion of the relations between the EU and Pakistan hosted at the European Commission by Baron Frans van Daele, the EU's Special Envoy for Freedom of Religion and Belief, prior to the Special Envoy's forthcoming visit to Pakistan. A wide-ranging and positive discussion took place about ways of fostering closer relations between the EU and Pakistan and about the best ways of confronting particular issues between the EU and Pakistan, such as blasphemy laws, the legal protection of religious minorities and secular humanists, and the education of the general public about religious minorities.